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Old July 13th, 2012, 10:24 PM
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These days, how could RCL still allow smoking on balconies (assuming
I read it correctly) ? Having a chain smoker, or early morning smoke,r in
the cabin next door can totally negate the benefits of having a balcony
for a non smoker. RCL is way behind the times on this issue.

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Celebrity might be a better choice for you!

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I don't smoke and have had plenty of people in balconies next to me that do smoke. It's never bothered me.
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My thought is that they will go that way eventually but until then, we all have a choice. If you choose to cruise on a line which allows balcony smoking, then there is no justified complaint. That's just the way it is. Sorry.
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I don't smoke and have had plenty of people in balconies next to me that do smoke. It's never bothered me.
Lucky you!

But just because you were not affected does not mean that others had the same experience. On a recent cruise, we had to go inside and close our cabin doors.

It's just a matter of time before RCL extends their Celebrity policy to RCCL.

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I have long despised smoking and can remember when ships allowed it everywhere - heck, 25 years ago I can remember table mates smoking at the dinner table after we ate. The policies have come a long way, thankfully.

On our most recent cruises (This year we have done the Allure and CCL Dream), smoking was almost a non-issue even for me. On the Allure, we had a Boardwalk Balcony, RM 11327, 2nd to last room and the Boardwalk does not allow smoking. On the Dream, we had a Cove - very secluded balcony, bottom deck so no one under us, again non-issue. Even the bars are finally turning into no smoking, keeping the horrible smell to the casino, the club, and occasional other spots. This was great news for me and I am thankful for all they did so far.

A full ban on the balconies (or even the ship!) would be great, but unheard of. Once upon a time the Carnival Paradise was completely smoke free (even crew), and had the highest booking percentages, but they made the least on alcohol and casino gambles, so they scrapped the idea.

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A full ban on the balconies (or even the ship!) would be great, but unheard of.
Not quite.

Celebrity, an RCCL company, has a full ban on balconies.

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For the smokers.

On a more analytical note, be mindful that smokers are people, too, and being deprived of smoking is probably as or more intensely miserable for them than being exposed is to a non-smoker. I've seen a thread elsewhere on the forum talking about smoking areas on a ship, and there's a serious inconvenience factor on some ships when balconies are forbidden.

I, too, don't like cigarette smoke, yet I'm married to a smoker (she doesn't smoke in the house). It's a small world and we've all got to live in it.

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RCL is way behind the times on this issue.
Interesting, considering RCI's newest and most modern ships, Oasis/allure both have balconies that are non smoking
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Interesting, considering RCI's newest and most modern ships, Oasis/allure both have balconies that are non smoking
Well, let's not confuse anyone.... the non-smoking balconies are inside neighborhood balconies, not ocean balconies.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 11:59 PM
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These days, how could RCL still allow smoking on balconies (assuming
I read it correctly) ? Having a chain smoker, or early morning smoke,r in
the cabin next door can totally negate the benefits of having a balcony
for a non smoker. RCL is way behind the times on this issue.
I hear ya...BUT, as a smoker, my advice to you if you you're afraid your balcony experience will be hampered by a smoker on an adjorning balcony, Dont Book A Balcony! Go with the 'inside' cabin or an 'outside'. Or, you could go all the way an book a suite, an expensive one, which will keep you away from all offensive smells (good luck)...In other words, if you don't want the smell of smoke, find another type of cabin which may limit your exposure. As long as the cruiseline allows smoking on the balcony, we will pay for that convenience. Oh, one more thing, when you book a cruise, try to remember, you are not cruising alone and it's NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!
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Well, let's not confuse anyone.... the non-smoking balconies are inside neighborhood balconies, not ocean balconies.
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I agree, the OP said nothing about the ocean and one of those neighborhoods is open to the ocean/sea/bay,etc
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And how could they let people drinks gallons of alcohol!! And how could they let all us fat people over eat!!!

And by gawd let's not forget the sun exposure!!!!
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I think the smokers lives have changed alot over the last couple of years. I for one would not book on a cruise line which did not allow smoking on the balconies (as a smoker) so I would think as a non smoker I would pick a cabin with a balcony were it would be least likely to be affected. I think we can all find things to complain about or look for all the things we enjoy about cruising and all have a great time!

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For the smokers.

On a more analytical note, be mindful that smokers are people, too, and being deprived of smoking is probably as or more intensely miserable for them than being exposed is to a non-smoker. I've seen a thread elsewhere on the forum talking about smoking areas on a ship, and there's a serious inconvenience factor on some ships when balconies are forbidden.

I, too, don't like cigarette smoke, yet I'm married to a smoker (she doesn't smoke in the house). It's a small world and we've all got to live in it.

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These comments always strike me as very hypocritical or at least completely self absorbed. The person knows smoke is so undesirable that they won't smoke in their own house. They then feel it is ok to smoke in areas where it is allowed even though they know it stinks so bad they don't want it in their own house.

It's ok to them because they get to walk away from the stench. If you won't do something in your own house because you find it offensive then you shouldn't do it anywhere you expose it to others as there is a very high likely hood they will be offended just like you. If you won't do it in your own house, where it is definitely allowed, then don't do it around me even in an area it is allowed because you know at the very least it's a nuisance and at most a health risk.

You know it stinks, you know it lingers, you know it sticks to clothes, furniture and walls, you know it finds it way inside through brief openings of a door and yet you stink up others surroundings because you need or enjoy the fix and then leave the area and the poisonous stink behind while you find another area to enjoy yourself. If you won't subject your private legal smoking place to the fumes then don't subject my private space, even if smoking is allowed.

Quit rationalizing with statements of it's allowed. it dissipates quickly, you paid your money also or any other quackery. You now it stinks so you won't do it in your own house. That means you know it's wrong to inflict it on others. Otherwise host a smoking party in your home so we can all come over and puff away a pack or two. You'll have to replace your carpet, dump the furniture, paint the inside and do something about your HVAC system if you want to live there after the party or if you want to sell your house.

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These comments always strike me as very hypocritical or at least completely self absorbed. The person knows smoke is so undesirable that they won't smoke in their own house. They then feel it is ok to smoke in areas where it is allowed even though they know it stinks so bad they don't want it in their own house.

It's ok to them because they get to walk away from the stench. If you won't do something in your own house because you find it offensive then you shouldn't do it anywhere you expose it to others as there is a very high likely hood they will be offended just like you. If you won't do it in your own house, where it is definitely allowed, then don't do it around me even in an area it is allowed because you know at the very least it's a nuisance and at most a health risk.

You know it stinks, you know it lingers, you know it sticks to clothes, furniture and walls, you know it finds it way inside through brief openings of a door and yet you stink up others surroundings because you need or enjoy the fix and then leave the area and the poisonous stink behind while you find another area to enjoy yourself. If you won't subject your private legal smoking place to the fumes then don't subject my private space, even if smoking is allowed.

Quit rationalizing with statements of it's allowed. it dissipates quickly, you paid your money also or any other quackery. You now it stinks so you won't do it in your own house. That means you know it's wrong to inflict it on others. Otherwise host a smoking party in your home so we can all come over and puff away a pack or two. You'll have to replace your carpet, dump the furniture, paint the inside and do something about your HVAC system if you want to live there after the party or if you want to sell your house.
What part of THEY ARE OUTSIDE ON A BALCONY did you miss? Seriously, this gets so out of control so quickly. MY WIFE AND I ARE NOT SMOKERS but hey folks, it is LEGAL and you all love the things that are paid for from the tax income in brings in. This is simply a matter or a non-smoker thinking/believing they have more rights than a smoker. Maybe I think you shouldn't be able to sit and talk on your balcony while I am enjoying the beautiful passing sea and sounds but that is not my choice. You paid for that balcony not me. I don't complain about you being out there because that is your space. The biggest problem here is that so many of you feel that when you paid for your cruise that you bought the ship out for your own private vacation. You did not.
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These comments always strike me as very hypocritical or at least completely self absorbed. The person knows smoke is so undesirable that they won't smoke in their own house. They then feel it is ok to smoke in areas where it is allowed even though they know it stinks so bad they don't want it in their own house.

It's ok to them because they get to walk away from the stench. If you won't do something in your own house because you find it offensive then you shouldn't do it anywhere you expose it to others as there is a very high likely hood they will be offended just like you. If you won't do it in your own house, where it is definitely allowed, then don't do it around me even in an area it is allowed because you know at the very least it's a nuisance and at most a health risk.

You know it stinks, you know it lingers, you know it sticks to clothes, furniture and walls, you know it finds it way inside through brief openings of a door and yet you stink up others surroundings because you need or enjoy the fix and then leave the area and the poisonous stink behind while you find another area to enjoy yourself. If you won't subject your private legal smoking place to the fumes then don't subject my private space, even if smoking is allowed.

Quit rationalizing with statements of it's allowed. it dissipates quickly, you paid your money also or any other quackery. You now it stinks so you won't do it in your own house. That means you know it's wrong to inflict it on others. Otherwise host a smoking party in your home so we can all come over and puff away a pack or two. You'll have to replace your carpet, dump the furniture, paint the inside and do something about your HVAC system if you want to live there after the party or if you want to sell your house.

wow ! You sound like a very angry person. If smokers follow the rules..why let it get you this upset?

Every person in this country, unless something has changed, has the right to do what they want to do in their home....whether it be smoking or cooking fish .

As long as rules are followed...if you don't like the rules some set...dont go there...easy enough. Not worth getting so worked up
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How could RCL still allow smoking on the balcony?

Because in spite of your personal and somewhat popular beliefs and opinion, it is allowed by cruise line policy.

And in the interest of full disclosure....it is a policy that I fully support, agree with, and one that keeps me sailing with Royal Caribbean.

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These comments always strike me as very hypocritical or at least completely self absorbed. The person knows smoke is so undesirable that they won't smoke in their own house. They then feel it is ok to smoke in areas where it is allowed even though they know it stinks so bad they don't want it in their own house.

It's ok to them because they get to walk away from the stench. If you won't do something in your own house because you find it offensive then you shouldn't do it anywhere you expose it to others as there is a very high likely hood they will be offended just like you. If you won't do it in your own house, where it is definitely allowed, then don't do it around me even in an area it is allowed because you know at the very least it's a nuisance and at most a health risk.

You know it stinks, you know it lingers, you know it sticks to clothes, furniture and walls, you know it finds it way inside through brief openings of a door and yet you stink up others surroundings because you need or enjoy the fix and then leave the area and the poisonous stink behind while you find another area to enjoy yourself. If you won't subject your private legal smoking place to the fumes then don't subject my private space, even if smoking is allowed.

Quit rationalizing with statements of it's allowed. it dissipates quickly, you paid your money also or any other quackery. You now it stinks so you won't do it in your own house. That means you know it's wrong to inflict it on others. Otherwise host a smoking party in your home so we can all come over and puff away a pack or two. You'll have to replace your carpet, dump the furniture, paint the inside and do something about your HVAC system if you want to live there after the party or if you want to sell your house.
I understand both points of view as a former smoker with a husband that has started smoking again. As a smoker, I was very mindful of the fact that not only was I causing harm to myself, but it caused harm and bothered other people.

I always understood this well because I have allergies pretty much all perfumes, including ones used in soaps, body washes and shampoos. (This was another reason I needed to quit smoking - of course I had allergies to cigarette smoke). I am allergic to most detergents (so I bring my own pillowcases) and many soaps. Of course, I am terribly allergic to cats.

So at home, I ask my husband to smoke outside- no big deal. He just goes to the deck at our house. It is sort of the same thing on a cruise ship, wake up and go on the deck to smoke. No need to get dressed, etc. However, he doesn't smoke on the balcony if our neighbors are on their decks.

I had to laugh on our last cruise on the second to last night of the cruise when he met our balcony neighbors on both sides and they were smoking cigars! He chastised me for bullying him all week about not smoking when our neighbors were out.

Anyway, I wish that Royal Caribbean would designate either port or starboard balconies as non-smoking and the other side not-designated. That way the people that really care one way or another could have their preference. A couple of years ago, I thought they were going to start doing this but I haven't seen it. But that might have been Princess since we cruise them a lot as well.

The bottom line is that we need to be tolerant of other people and that includes smokers being tolerant of us that don't like the smoke and non-smokers being tolerant of smokers in areas where it is allowed. When my next door balcony neighbors would come onto their deck while my husband was already out there, I didn't rush my husband. However, if they were out there first, he would wait.

My husband's biggest complaint is when he is in a bar or area designated as SMOKING and others sit down because there are no seats in non-smoking and then they start complaining. My biggest complaint is smokers that don't care about others or people that use too much perfume. (I can also complain about the people that use the buffet without using hand sanitizer.)

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I understand both points of view as a former smoker with a husband that has started smoking again. As a smoker, I was very mindful of the fact that not only was I causing harm to myself, but it caused harm and bothered other people.

I always understood this well because I have allergies pretty much all perfumes, including ones used in soaps, body washes and shampoos. (This was another reason I needed to quit smoking - of course I had allergies to cigarette smoke). I am allergic to most detergents (so I bring my own pillowcases) and many soaps. Of course, I am terribly allergic to cats.

So at home, I ask my husband to smoke outside- no big deal. He just goes to the deck at our house. It is sort of the same thing on a cruise ship, wake up and go on the deck to smoke. No need to get dressed, etc. However, he doesn't smoke on the balcony if our neighbors are on their decks.

I had to laugh on our last cruise on the second to last night of the cruise when he met our balcony neighbors on both sides and they were smoking cigars! He chastised me for bullying him all week about not smoking when our neighbors were out.

Anyway, I wish that Royal Caribbean would designate either port or starboard balconies as non-smoking and the other side not-designated. That way the people that really care one way or another could have their preference. A couple of years ago, I thought they were going to start doing this but I haven't seen it. But that might have been Princess since we cruise them a lot as well.

The bottom line is that we need to be tolerant of other people and that includes smokers being tolerant of us that don't like the smoke and non-smokers being tolerant of smokers in areas where it is allowed. When my next door balcony neighbors would come onto their deck while my husband was already out there, I didn't rush my husband. However, if they were out there first, he would wait.

My husband's biggest complaint is when he is in a bar or area designated as SMOKING and others sit down because there are no seats in non-smoking and then they start complaining. My biggest complaint is smokers that don't care about others or people that use too much perfume. (I can also complain about the people that use the buffet without using hand sanitizer.)
Very well put ! I agree 100%
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